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How to type the rising tone mark?

Typing, encoding, and display of Thai characters

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How to type the rising tone mark?

Postby tach.skypethaiteacher » Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:55 am

Does anyone know how to type the rising tone mark (not the Thai character "ไม้จัตวา" but the transliteration)?
I use French keyboard to type à, á and â but the rising tone mark does not exist in French so I don't know how to type it.
I'd like to be able to type this --> "ǎ" (now I just copied and pasted from another source.)
If anyone knows, please help me. I'd truly appreciate. Thank you so much (^3^)

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Re: How to type the rising tone mark?

Postby Tgeezer » Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:16 am

tach.skypethaiteacher wrote:Does anyone know how to type the rising tone mark (not the Thai character "ไม้จัตวา" but the transliteration)?
I use French keyboard to type à, á and â but the rising tone mark does not exist in French so I don't know how to type it.
I'd like to be able to type this --> "ǎ" (now I just copied and pasted from another source.)
If anyone knows, please help me. I'd truly appreciate. Thank you so much (^3^)

Tachaya

I would love to be able to help you, why not do a tape which explains tone marks, then just slap the real thing on?
This would be a very innovative approach and a gentle introduction to Thai writing, after all a phonetics is only another language which needs to be learnt and can be forgotten once Thai is learnt.
Eg. a a a a bâan = baan = บ้าน. tâan = taan : ท่าน.
A bit of a pain, switching languages, especially if you don't kill 'spellchecker' but you are used to that.
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Re: How to type the rising tone mark?

Postby Pirin » Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:23 am

lɔ꞉ŋ hǎ꞉ du꞉ tʰî꞉ nî꞉ náʔ kʰâh

Doulos SIL
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Re: How to type the rising tone mark?

Postby Rick Bradford » Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:21 pm

Vietnamese has a rising tone identical to that in Thai, which is written as a question mark (without the dot), thus: 'chỉ','đủ'

It is a very good fit between the sound of the rising tone and the sound of a question in European languages ("Really?"), so it is not surprising that it (as part of the whole Latinised Quốc Ngữ script for Vietnamese) was designed by a European.

Interestingly, Quốc Ngữ could also be used to render Thai very accurately -- with minor modifications (to mark short vowels, for example).
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Re: How to type the rising tone mark?

Postby daฟาน » Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:55 pm

you could try to look for some "alt+number" codes
i forgot the real name for those kind of codes...

but it pretty much works like this:

you press alt, keep it pressed and type in 4 numbers... for example: alt + 0142 = Ž ... unfortunately I don't know the code for only a rising tone sign, but it might be available... you could try to look for those codes
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Re: How to type the rising tone mark?

Postby Pirin » Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:57 pm

Although the font Doulos SIL (http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page ... L_download) seems to be a better choice (for a modern keyboard), here's another suggestion.


“…..
The following are available combinations in Windows. To insert them in a file, hold down the Alt key, type the number on the keypad on the right side of your keyboard (not with the numbers on the top row of the main keyboard), and then release the Alt key.
….
ă with breve (short sign; like a little "u"): East European (CE) character set: uppercase 0195; lowercase 0227
…..”
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Re: How to type the rising tone mark?

Postby pensive » Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:44 am

If you are on Windows, you can just open "Character Map" under Accessories/System Tools. Even if you don't use the characters shown, you can find the escape sequence in the bottom right-hand corner. Seems a better option than an opaque list of codes. Just my opinion.
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Re: How to type the rising tone mark?

Postby tach.skypethaiteacher » Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:54 am

ขอบคุณทุกคนมากๆเลยค่ะ Thank you all SO MUCH :)
I'll try your ideas and if I have any problem, I'll come ask for help again :D
Again, thank you all so much. I really appreciate your help! :)
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Re: How to type the rising tone mark?

Postby Richard Wordingham » Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:54 pm

Pirin wrote:ă with breve (short sign; like a little "u"): East European (CE) character set: uppercase 0195; lowercase 0227

That’s not the right character - it's ǎ, not ă, and it’s called ‘caron’ or ‘haček’. If you’re using a character picker for the diacritic, you want U+030C. I rolled my own keyboards (Windows MSKLC, kmfl, and emacs) based on X-SAMPA. You may find it helpful to cut and paste from the following list; too many systems do not allow you to cut and paste diacritics.

ǎ ǐ ɯ̌ ǔ ě æ̌ ɛ̌ ǒ ɔ̌ ə̌ ɤ̌

For completeness, the other combinations areː

à ì ɯ̀ ù è æ̀ ɛ̀ ò ɔ̀ ə̀ ɤ̀
â î ɯ̂ û ê æ̂ ɛ̂ ô ɔ̂ ə̂ ɤ̂
á í ɯ́ ú é ǽ ɛ́ ó ɔ́ ə́ ɤ́
ā ī ɯ̄ ū ē ǣ ɛ̄ ō ɔ̄ ə̄ ɤ̄
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Re: How to type the rising tone mark?

Postby tach.skypethaiteacher » Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:13 am

Richard Wordingham wrote:
Pirin wrote:ă with breve (short sign; like a little "u"): East European (CE) character set: uppercase 0195; lowercase 0227

That’s not the right character - it's ǎ, not ă, and it’s called ‘caron’ or ‘haček’. If you’re using a character picker for the diacritic, you want U+030C. I rolled my own keyboards (Windows MSKLC, kmfl, and emacs) based on X-SAMPA. You may find it helpful to cut and paste from the following list; too many systems do not allow you to cut and paste diacritics.

ǎ ǐ ɯ̌ ǔ ě æ̌ ɛ̌ ǒ ɔ̌ ə̌ ɤ̌

For completeness, the other combinations areː

à ì ɯ̀ ù è æ̀ ɛ̀ ò ɔ̀ ə̀ ɤ̀
â î ɯ̂ û ê æ̂ ɛ̂ ô ɔ̂ ə̂ ɤ̂
á í ɯ́ ú é ǽ ɛ́ ó ɔ́ ə́ ɤ́
ā ī ɯ̄ ū ē ǣ ɛ̄ ō ɔ̄ ə̄ ɤ̄


Dear Khun Richard,

Thank you so much for your suggestion. However, I'd rather be able to type out the characters instead of copying and pasting from another source. That's what I have been doing and it's not so convenient. I appreciate that you took time to help me anyway!! Thank you!! :)

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